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with me George Galloway and me gatri as
predicted here on the Sputnik increased
Russian intervention in the defense of
Syria from foreign Invasion has begun to
turn the tide the Syrian Army sons of
Syria everyone have been fighting at
enormous sacrifice a coalition composed
of so many foreign countries and
terrorist groups it would take the rest
of the program to enumerate them
Russia's prestige in World opinion if
not the chanceries of many world
capitals has never been higher at least
since the early 1970s so for the wise
and what next who else would we turn to
than haa caram Mustafa haa thanks for
coming back on board the Sputnik let's
start with the why first of all why did
Russia choose this time to dramatically
increase its intervention in the war in
Syria well because because there's an
supposedly International Le Coalition
fighting Isis and since actually that
Coalition got started in trying to
weaken Isis Isis has actually expanded
and has expanded its reach across the
Middle East is now based in Libya and
therefore we're seeing the most powerful
armies in the world actually not
neutralize this this threat that was
actually described as the biggest threat
to humanity since Adolf Hitler so it's
become a Time Russia has decided that
the time has come to actually intervene
and put a stop to all this mess only
history will show whether they really
were trying to weaken Isis of course you
know my thesis seems to me improbable at
least implausible that all these armies
all these Air Forces could bomb Isis so
much and yet leave them stronger than
they were before they began but if
that's the why I suppose the big
question then is what next how long is
this operation going to last in your
view uh What uh consequences is it
likely to have the length of the
operation is difficult to predict
because of course we're seeing a lack of
communication between all the players
just this morning the Russian Ambassador
actually announced that Britain refused
to uh exchange uh intelligence with the
Russian count the Russian counterparts
so I think there's going to be
difficulty on the terrain but of course
in the last Fortnight alone the Russians
have made great gains and have
considerably weakened Isis and have
pushed them back so I think we're seeing
a very encouraging progress but I don't
think it's the end of things because
obviously as we've said there is a
desire to Main main Isis in the region
and of course under the guise that those
that the Western Coalition is supporting
are the supposed moderate terrorists I
mean I would have assumed that a
terrorist is a terrorist anyone who
blows up infrastructure and Slaughters
civilians is a terrorist there shouldn't
be a sort of terrorist light and a
terrorist heavy but apparently there is
and therefore there is a lack of will to
neutralize Isis which will slow down the
process but of course what is
encouraging is that in a fortnight alone
Russia has made considerable gains and I
think as a result we seeing the the
official Syrian Army maintain its strong
position actually expand into former
Isis Le territory and I think that is
encouraging how long that's going to
last that's a different matter the uh
mistake you're making is to imagine that
uh terrorists who only half eat your
heart who only half cut your head off
who only half destroy the religious
places of minorities and so on uh
they're not really terrorists that's
what we're being asked to uh believe the
Phantom armies of the opposition I
described them so in Parliament a couple
of years ago that the so-called free
Syrian Army even then didn't exist and
yet we're told Now by Western critics of
the Russian operation that Russia is
somehow bombing them even though in the
United States newspapers the Syria
newspapers it's long been acknowledged
that there are no moderate terrorists
there's only Al-Qaeda and the even more
extreme Isis as I said the the terrorist
organizations are very much the same
parties that are just having different
labels to them but they're all acting as
terrorists they're all committing
heinous crimes against the civilian
population of Syria which it has to be
reminded the majority of the civilian
population is actually Sunni now there's
been an idea of selling this conflict as
being somewhat the sunnis fighting the
evil alawite minority now the leadership
of Syria is indeed or rather Bashar Al
Assad is an alawite but the majority of
the Syrian population is Sunni and
therefore the majority of the official
Syrian Army is made up of fighters who
are fighting these terrorists who are
killing them slaughtering them they are
obviously attacking minorities but
they're also attacking all the sunnis
who are not signing up to their barbaric
uh Enterprise so very what we've seen in
the past if we've labeled this situation
in all the wrong ways possible we first
labeled the terrorists as being somewhat
Rebels we've somewhat labeled it as
sunnis versus the others well that's not
the case because sunnis are fighting
against these terrorists so every step
of the way we've described the situation
in Syria in the wrong way in order to
sell a conflict and actually encourage
the disintegration of Syria haa we were
in Moscow last week and uh the last
night we were stuck in a huge traffic
jam which we were quite surprised by
obviously it's an 11 million City but
then as we drove past the Kremlin block
a road were blocked uh along it and we
then discovered that Assad was there for
the first time since the war Assad was
there at on a visit for foreign two
foreign country that must be significant
it's very symbolic it's it's a an
official recognition of the Syrian
leadership bashar's leadership and it's
also a way of telling uh the West that
they don't care what they think of
Bashar Assad because obviously Western
capitals have insisted that Bashar Al
Assad no longer had legitimacy but of
course a majority of syrians still view
him as his president it is for the
syrians to decide who their President
should be and I think what the Russian
Jester has meant is to say that actually
we're recognizing Syrian legitimacy of
their president here is the president
and there you go tough what do you think
they might have been discussing I think
they've obviously discussed the nature
of further operation further cooperation
between the official Syrian Army and the
Russian uh Army as well uh I think it's
to strengthen strengthening the ties
within the region and ensure that there
is a more longterm presence probably in
Russia for the foreseeable future at the
very least to ensure that these us
friendly terrorists if we can call them
that actually have pushed further and
and leave Syria alone they're likely of
course to run uh many of them are
already running uh unfortunately some of
them to Iraq where they will still have
to be defeated also uh but many seem to
be running to Turkey and turkey itself
is now you could say almost uh in a
civil war situation you have such a
complex pattern of conflict you have
secularists who don't like erdogan for
their own reasons you have the Kurdish
minority a very big minority uh being
attacked by erdogan and fighting back
you have the Overflow of the Isis and
Al-Qaeda phenomenon the whole Region's
problems are not going to go away
anytime soon are they the reason for
that is because so many people actually
rather than attempt to find a solution
really poured fuel under the fire now
for Melly they would argue that for
erdogan this is really Karma because
when he meddled in Syrian Affairs rather
than play the great important neighbor
that should have pushed for a piece
resolution actually pushed for conflict
he encouraged uh the foreign fighters to
come in he allowed turkey to become a
base for foreign mercenaries murderers
to come into Syria and commit the crimes
that we know of and therefore it was
inevitable that it would spill over you
know when you play with terrorists and
the Americans have seen this before the
Saudis have seen this before you
inevitably get burned these are
criminals who have absolutely no loyalty
and no sense of morality they will come
back and bite you sooner or later it is
a Frankenstein monster and erdogan's
blunder having started out with the
policy of no quarrels with the neighbors
ex ended up with quarrels with all the
neighbors uh it it's a foreign policy
error almost as big as Saddam Hussein's
invasion of Kuwait uh 25 years ago
because it may bring about not just the
end of his own political power and
project but runs the risk it's an
existential threat actually to turkey as
a state absolutely because I think as
you you mentioned all the minorities
that are clashing within turkey this is
a recipe for disaster it's turkey is now
at boiling point and it's such a shame
because just a year ago it was actually
doing well of course there were the
secularist who were against erdan but
erdan had a comfortable majority he was
quite a popular Statesman regardless and
yet with a situation that is completely
that has become poisoned intoxicated
because of the Isis threat which has
been used almost by all parties it has
led turkey to becoming this sort of
chessboard which was a bit what Syria
was a few years ago now that situation
has moved into turkey and turkey is
pretty much facing the problem Syria's
facing four years ago but but it has
lost many friends and therefore might
not even have the support that Syria is
enjoying today let's turn to Iraq uh if
it's possible to see if not the end uh
the beginning of the end of the
terrorist uh attack and occupation of
much of Syria it's not yet possible to
see that in Iraq the
Iraqi state
does not yet seem capable of recapturing
the very significant cities and
territories that are still held by ISIS
what's going to happen next there well I
I think you pointed out that uh Saddam
Hussein's major error was it when he
invaded uh Kuwait he actually fractured
a lot of the Arab Unity that was a major
blunder but there was something that
Saddam Hussein managed to do was keep a
national cohesion you know the Iraqis
had a strong sense of nationality with
the invasion of of Iraq in 2003 and the
divide and Rule politics that were
instigated by the US the sense of
nationality has completely disappeared
and now the loyalties are more tribal
and more sectarian so you have people
who are thinking why should I fight for
a nation state that I don't really
believe in I'm first and foremost a
Sunni I'm first and foremost a Shiite
and therefore there is no sense of
fighting in a in a coordinated way
against the common enemy because
everyone is fighting for their own and
this is why Isis have managed to make
incredible gains and we've seen that at
times the Iraqi I Army was completely
humiliated and defeated within 24 hours
simply because the soldiers didn't have
it in them to fight for a country that
they no longer regard as their nation
and therefore something to be proud of
and something to fight for and I think
in that respect it's very difficult to
predict an end of the catastrophe in
Iraq for the foreseeable future is it
possible that Russia could become
involved in Iraq also the request of the
Iraqi government just as it's involved
now at the request of the Syrian
government I think it's it's incredible
humiliation for the us because these are
people that were placed by the US this
is a government that's come on the back
of a us-led Invasion and actually now
they're turning to the Russians for hell
that would mean of course in this
hypothesis and I have no idea whether
Russia has any intention of helping in a
big way in Iraq uh but that would mean
that Russia was now perhaps the most
significant International player in the
Middle East would mean the end of
American heany uh in the region and
given Russia's good relations with Iran
would change the balance of power uh and
direction in the Middle East I believe
in a very good way what's your take on
that well I think anything that we go
far when we move away from American Hony
I think that should be celebrated as
we've seen whether it's Iraq whether
it's Libya and of course they're
meddling in in Syria and their support
of Israel nothing that American has done
is to be welcomed in the region so
anytime that the Middle East moves
further away from the US I think it's
very much to be welcomed and if it's
going towards another superpower I mean
personally I would favor more
Independence for the Middle East and not
going from one superpower to the other
having said that anything that moves
away from the US is obviously something
beneficial for the region definitely haa
thanks as always for your expertise
coming up after the break clear the
decks it's Max Kaiser
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welcome back to Sputnik Max Kaiser is
one of the world's most watched
broadcasters he's feared by the bad
loved by the good he's the Robin Hood of
the square mile and he's here now light
the blue touch paper and stand well back
there's no point in a script here Max no
because talking with you is pure uh free
form Jazz but let me try and I shle the
anger of millions you do you do you I
feel I feel their pain now let me just
there's one I need to ask you about cuz
it's particularly important significant
for me there's a report in the
newspapers this week the 100 billion
pounds in property purchases has been
made in London in just the last six
years by Foreign Nationals what's going
on here this must be the reason why
house prices and rents in London are now
higher than anywhere else in the world
am I right absolutely there's uh the
piggy bank in London property where
foreign money comes in and it's cheaper
than opening a bank account in some
other country it's cheaper than owning
gold or silver but you know I was
looking at this housing situation in
London George and you know the housing
associations which are private property
George Osborne is allowing those to be
sold off yeah so this is a confiscation
of private property and they're going to
K people out onto the streets you know
this is beyond just the confiscation of
private property this is Osborne's you
know Hugo Chavez moment and this is this
is owned by private property owners and
they're just taking it away and they're
reselling it at a huge discount and uh
you know this is this is a human rights
issue this can go to the international
criminal court because he's
disenfranchising this entire uh
generation that's being thrown out into
the street but why don't why don't we go
to the ICC but why isn't this not
discussed in these terms this this is a
criminal action by Osborne the
chancellor that's just one area of of of
law breaking that that I've identified
another area of law breaking that I've
identified here is that this this this
country they do what called these PPI
schemes or PFI schemes where their
government is putting off their balance
sheet the debt of doing their
privatizations for things like hospitals
and things like this and they say well
the reason we don't do this debt the
reason we don't do the low interest
rates that are afforded to us from the
bank of England with 0% interest rates
is because under the treating we're not
allowed to go above 60% debt to GDP but
I'm sorry but in fact they are violating
that 60% debt to GDP they are violating
the Mast treaty and Mark Carney who runs
the bank of England knows this he's the
regulator ultimately in charge he's now
been caught flagrantly violating
international law so these guys when it
comes to property in London not only are
they opening it up to the the foreign
billions that are ill gains that are
jacking up hot money jacking up prices
forcing people out of the market they
are also committing wholesale human
rights violations and rampant
criminality they did it before by the
way before you came here with Council
housing millions of council houses have
been sold at knockdown prices virtually
nothing which is of course a loss then
to the public that built those those
were owned by the state the housing
associations are not state owned they
are privately owned and they're selling
priv private property again to other
private property by by feat they're
they're selling private property to a
larger number of smaller private owners
and that means that rented economy that
rented sector is no longer available to
those who wish to or need to live in
rented property yeah but they go and
criticize these countries you know I've
mentioned Hugo chz before okay if you
listen to osbor and Cameron they'll say
Hugo Chavez is a socialist he's C is
getting private property from people and
doing wealth redistribution well it's
exactly what Osborne's doing he's
confiscating private property and he's
doing up upward wealth redistribution by
giving it to uh those who are hoarding
properties they're they're property
hoarders you know and and that's
completely inconsistent with a
functioning economy you don't want one
sector of the property sector acting
like a a parasitical cancer gobbling up
all the pieces of the economy that's
completely inconsistent with having a
well functioning economy well we saw in
the newspapers last week an East Enders
actor funded by uh Israeli financiers
their nationality immaterial to buy his
Council house so that it in Hamstead so
that it could be knocked down and a
fantastically more valuable house
erected in its place and the East Enders
actor who happens to be a tenant there
and who gets the discount will be
compensated by the Israeli financiers
and somebody worth 20 3040 million will
now occupy that space compensated from
who it's compensated from the council
it's compensated from the taxpayer it's
compensated through money printing which
is causing gross wealth and income
inequality and social unrest you know if
Osborne wants to know why there is
potentially such social interrest in
this country look in the mirror he's
engineering it his financial engineering
I mean this is this is Britain's Crystal
knocked okay this is Osborne's Crystal
knock he's given Open Season to private
speculators to kick private citizens out
of their homes and resell those
properties I'm not this is not I'm not
I'm not over guilding the Lily this is
an atrocious violation of Human Rights
Osborne he should be going to the ha
what with Tony Blair just in the
interest of balance the George Osborne
whom you've criticized severely and as I
do myself last week we saw the Triumph
of his pragmatism over the ideological
positions of the foreign office and even
David Cameron it's Osborne who's driving
the new opening to China in British
policy uh the wisdom to get close to
China and to become a pivot in Europe
and the world for the increasingly
strong uh fundamentally increasingly
strong Chinese economy this is wisdom on
the part of Osborne of course he's doing
it because he wants Chinese money to
come to Britain but what's wrong with
that he's engineered uh and remarkable
um economic atrocity by sending jobs to
China in exchange for hot money that's
being enabled by these ultra low
interest rates here's what's been going
on for the last 20 years this country
these policy makers and Britain does had
a choice either let jobs stay in Britain
and let wages rise to go with those jobs
and have a natural organic inflation in
a well balanced economy or ship those
jobs overseas to China and other
countries and monkey around with the
economy through the mechanism of
interest rate manipulation through extra
low low low interest rate manipulation
and this is what has attracted this
Chinese hot money because they can come
in uh with this money that is being
deposited in these properties here and
they know that because the bank of
England's going to keep printing now
more than a trillion pounds uh to try to
bail out the banks they're guaranteed
some kind of return on this hot money so
they're giving a state subsidy to China
to deposit their hot money in China
they're not doing anything for wages or
work here in the Britain because all
those jobs are being sent over to China
the same thing is happening in America
and uh the quit proquo sucks you know
China if Osborne thinks he's getting
something for this he's going to get a A
revolution is what he's going to get
he's engineering complete uh
Insurrection in this country and it
can't happen a day too soon because
these these people need some dignity
George these British people they can't
live on Jin and Promises they need some
sovereignty they need some dignity I did
try Mr R I did try well why dides you
come on my show nobody from that
Administration ever comes on my show I'm
freaking right across the street from
the mayor's office did they ever pop
over to say a word no because they know
I'll skin them alive they'll be flayed
on television and their hypocrisy
exposed like a banana being
peeled look let me stick with oor for a
minute his chances of becoming prime
minister or at least leader of the
conservative party Visa Boris Johnson
the aforementioned mayor depend on the
British economy in 2020 if there's a
significant downturn in the British
economy Boris Johnson will succeed if
there isn't George Osborne will succeed
what's your money
on pop in the real estate property
bubble is a dead
certainty uh therefore under the choice
that you just provided it would be
therefore Boris Johnson so you you see
maybe 2017 2018 you see a significant
fall in the British econom the global
well it's a global economy is now
running with a $200 trillion do debt
load uh the debt to GDP in Britain if
you include Bank debt public debt
private debt is running at over 800%
debt to GDP not far off to where Iceland
was before Iceland blew up and by the
way Iceland just put 27 Bankers in jail
this week for doing the exact same stuff
that English and British Bankers have
been doing during the same time period
why does Iceland have a respect for the
rule of law and and and Britain has no
respect National dignity the the
Icelandic
people thus demonstrated National
dignity Max the public was as excited as
we are to have you on our show so we've
got some questions from them if you like
hit you John F for example wants you to
discuss the changes you would bring to
the financial sector in London if you
were in charge look there's really only
one way to restore balance to the sector
and bring some accountability raise the
cost of fraud right now it's almost free
ride on committing financial fraud
because the cost of borrowing money is
zero therefore the cost of committing
fraud is almost zero so by raising that
cost of fraud by increasing the risk of
committing fraud you're going to reduce
the amount of fraud being committed
because the frosters right now are just
being given a free ride the the Vault of
the SA is wide open there's nobody
watching it there's no oversight there's
no law so how can you blame people from
just walking up and stealing all the
money of course they're going to do that
you need to close the vault door you
need to put a cage around the money you
need to increase the risk Pelle says
what good is Terrorism for the UK
businesses like weapon sale gchq spying
banksters
corporations the terrorism business has
never been more profitable for the UK
you know I am quite amused whenever I
see the likes of Piers Morgan tweeting
about America's gun culture from inside
the British establishment the biggest
exporter of arms to the world the
biggest Mass slaughtering machine now
Saudi Arabia's biggest arms supplier
how's that for terrorism right okay in
fact the arms we're selling to Saudi
Arabia are ending up in the hands of
Isis and Al-Qaeda before they're even
unpacked out the boxes right so where is
the media on this where's the BBC
where's Pierce Morgan he's out there
saying oh America guys I got too many
guns in America somebody just got shot
in America Pi you you just you're
sponsoring the biggest state terrorist
in the world the United Kingdom Max what
say goodbye
goodbye thanks very much the one and
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